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......is the author of The Moon and the Sun, which has just been optioned by Jim Henson Pictures.

The Moon and the Sun won the Nebula Award for Best Novel of 1997. McIntyre's novel Dreamsnake won the Nebula Award and the Hugo award. The World Science Fiction Convention awards the Hugo after a vote by readers, while SFWA, the professional organization for SF and Fantasy writers, presents the Nebula. Dreamsnake has been published in thirteen languages, including Japanese and Polish.

In 1994, the Chesterfield Film Company offered her a fellowship in its Writers Film Project, sponsored by Universal Studios and Amblin Entertainment. She spent a year in Los Angeles working on two screenplays. The results are The Moon and the Sun and Illegal Alien. She has also adapted Dreamsnake and Barbary as movie screenplays.

The Moon and the Sun is set in 1693 at the court of Louis XIV, in Versailles, where McIntyre travelled to do research. The period is as rich as the chateau; in order to prevent the screenplay of The Moon and the Sun from growing beyond the dreaded 120-page limit, she also wrote the story as a novel.

Pocket Books published The Moon and the Sun in hardcover in September 1997 and in paperback in 1998. "I'm pleased with the way the novel came out," McIntyre says, "and amazed at the amount of research it took. The cover painting, by Gary Halsey, is the best cover I've ever had. In fact, it's the best cover I've ever seen. I bought the painting, and at the publication party (which was also my birthday) at the University Bookstore in Seattle, my friends gave me a gift certificate for a gilded carved baroque frame. They knew I wouldn't get away with my usual strip of brushed aluminum for this painting!"

She recently traveled to Crete, Thera, and Cyprus to research her novel in progress, The Curve of the World.

McIntyre's other novels include The Exile Waiting, The Entropy Effect, Superluminal, and Barbary. The Exile Waiting was nominated for the Nebula; excerpts from Superluminal, "Aztecs" and "Transit," received Hugo and Nebula nominations. The Starfarers Quartet, the story of alien contact specialist J.D. Sauvage and her colleagues in rebellion aboard the campus starship Starfarer, begins with Starfarers, continues with Transition and Metaphase, and concludes with Nautilus. Starfarers is one of the few novels ever to inspire a fan club before being written. Pocket Books will reprint both Dreamsnake and the Starfarers Quartet in the fall of 1999.

Her collection, Fireflood & Other Stories, includes the Nebula award-winning "Of Mist, and Grass, and Sand," plus ten other stories. With Susan Janice Anderson, she edited Aurora: Beyond Equality, an anthology of humanist science fiction by Ursula K. Le Guin, James Tiptree, Jr., A.R. Sheldon, Marge Piercy, David J. Skal, P.J. Plauger, and others.

McIntyre wrote the best-selling novel versions of the screenplays for three of the popular Star Trek movies: The Wrath of Khan, The Search for Spock, and The Voyage Home. Her audiotape adaptation of The Voyage Home, narrated by George Takei and Leonard Nimoy, was nominated for a Grammy. The Crystal Star continues the adventures of George Lucas' creations Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo, and Chewbacca, and the next generation of Star Wars characters.

She graduated as a Bachelor of Science from the honors program of the University of Washington. With several short-story sales to her credit, she spent a summer at the Clarion Writers Workshop. After a year of graduate work in genetics, she ventured out on her own as a free-lance writer.

She has exhibited hunters and jumpers, organized conferences, observed humpback whales in Alaska, and rafted in the white water of Idaho. She earned shodan (first degree black belt) in the martial art Aikido.

Though she prefers fiction, she has written articles ranging from "Observation of a Psychic" for The Skeptical Inquirer to "The Straining Your Eyes through the Viewscreen Blues" for Nebula Award Stories 15 to "Virus Attack," which was reprinted from CompuServe in several computer newsletters.

She will spend Winter Quarter of the year 2000 as Evans Chair at The Evergreen State College. She has twice been writer-in-residence at Clarion West, the Seattle daughter of Robin Scott Wilson's original Clarion, Pennsylvania, writers workshop. She was visiting novelist at Humboldt State College's Future Fiction Hypercard interactive novel project. She has spoken at Northwest Bookfest, Rutgers University, Antioch West, the University of Washington, the Harbourfront International Author's Festival, and the Melbourne Writers Workshop. She has given readings from Seattle to Brighton, England; Durango to Winnipeg. She was a judge for the first James Tiptree, Jr., Memorial Award. She recently travelled to Auckland as Guest of Honor of the New Zealand national sf convention, and to Finland, as guest of Finncon, part of the Jyvaskyla Arts Festival.

A card-carrying member of the American Civil Liberties Union, she also belongs to SFWA, the Cousteau Society, the Space Studies Institute , the Planetary Society, the Authors Guild, and the National Organization for Women. Along about the Winter Solstice every year, she "adopts" a pgymy marmoset for her sister, an orca for her father, and an island in the Gulf of Mexico for her mother. Like many writers, she always has a fiddly hobby. At the moment, she has two: writing web pages for other sf/f writers; and beaded sea creatures.



The December 2000
Q&A



Vonda Hi Janice!
JaniceMars Vonda! Hello
Ryan Greetings.
Vonda Logging on from alien computer, so please forgive typos.
JaniceMars Is now 235 pm ET.
JaniceMars No problem. You're early Vonda...but there's no reason we can't start ....
JaniceMars asking questions now and pick up any stray questions as folks drop in. Game?
* Ryan grins.
JaniceMars Whoops. Fasten your seat belts.
JaniceMars Hi Vonda...was just calling you on the phone...
JaniceMars and got a busy. LOL
Vonda Well, that was fun -- browser crashed
Vonda Yeah, the number I gave you is the one I'm logging on from.
JaniceMars Well let's see if we can work with this, and if there are problems and it becomes impossible we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
Vonda But here I am again so I can do my own typing. Hi all!
JaniceMars As I was saying... you're a little early, but let's get going and take answers from folks as they drop in.
Vonda I'm sure it will be OK now, or I'll try another browser.
JaniceMars Vonda. Welcome to Cybling. Good to see you.
Vonda Sounds like a plan. (I have "neurotic promptness syndrome," as a friend calls it.)
Vonda Thanks for the invitation.How's the season treating you?
JaniceMars Rotten. Too much to do and too little time. How about you?
Vonda About the same.
JaniceMars Got all the Christmas shopping done?
Vonda one thing my family decided to do a number of years ago...
Vonda was to give each other donations to good causes...
Vonda since we pretty much have everything we need. ...
Vonda Takes a lot of the stress off.
JaniceMars Excellent Idea. I have a sweater, three scarves and a sweater yet to knit, and I'm not predicting a good result. LOL.
Vonda you would need to knit with several hands at the same time.
JaniceMars Or knuckle under and break out the knitting machine. LOL. Vonda, you're pretty involved with the SFWA. Can you tell us a little about what you do for them?
JaniceMars SFWA = Science Fiction Writers of America
Vonda Mostly I'm the writer of home pages for other SFWA members.
Vonda I wanted to learn html and I figured this would give me a push to do it.
JaniceMars So do you find yourself creating a lot of those websites from scratch?
Vonda Always have to have a fiddly hobby, and there's hardly anything more fiddly than html.
JaniceMars True.
Vonda Yes, pretty much. I try to make each site look the way the owner wants it to.
Vonda I do Owl Goingback's, and Suzy Charnas', and Carol Emshwiller's, and a bunch more.
NOTE The urls are http://www.owlgoingback.com/ and http://www.sfwa.org/members/charnas/ and http://www.sfwa.org/members/emshwiller/
JaniceMars Vonda...you say you have to have a fiddly hobby.... is this part of your creative process?
Vonda SFWA keeps a list of its members' home pages, by the way, at http//www.sfwa.org/links/
Vonda I think it is. I used to do needlepoint and now ...
Vonda I do some weird beadwork (see "bead creatures" at my home page, which is http//www.sff.net/people/vonda/)
Vonda Somebody did a survey of writers and artists...
Vonda and found that many of them had hobbies that...
Vonda required repetitive physical movement but not...
Vonda much brain power. Like needlepoint, or jogging.
Vonda Strange, huh?
JaniceMars Exactly. Knitting is my excuse to watch TV. Should be my excuse to do other things though as things do come to mind while I'm doing it.
Vonda Yeah -- I find it hard to watch TV if I'm not ...
Chenoa what of CGI do you also use this for your pages and if so is it much more difficult than html?
Vonda also doing something else.
Vonda I'm not much of a programmer so I just do straight html. Very simple and straightforward.
Vonda Sort of the buggy whip factory of web pages, I guess.
JaniceMars Vonda, I contacted you recently to come out and chat because I noticed that a couple of your books are now available on tape.
Vonda Yeah. I haven't actually listened to them yet so ...
JaniceMars That is, you can now "hear" Vonda's books while driving, or knitting or htmling.
Vonda if anybody else has, you can tell me how they ...
Vonda came out. I like books on tape (they're good for ...
Vonda listening to while doing those fiddly hobbies.) Anyway, ...
JaniceMars Which books are available?
Vonda Blackstone Audiobooks taped both Dreamsnake and Moon and Sun.
Vonda Hah! Great minds.
JaniceMars Dreamsnake was a great book Vonda. You built an entire world where the practice of medicine is based around a sort of symbiosis.
Vonda The LA pacifica station broadcast Dreamsnake...
Vonda some years ago, but this is the first time I've had books on tape.
Vonda Yes, it seemed to me that if my characters were ...
Vonda living in a world where it was hard to support ...
Vonda mechanical technology, they would have to have...
Vonda some other way of carrying around medicines etc, than...
Vonda with a refrigerator. What better delivery mechanism than a snake?
JaniceMars And so the snakes organically manufacture the medicines and also act as the delivery system via their fangs.
Vonda Right. The funny thing about Dreamsnake is that...
Vonda a lot of people perceive it as fantasy, even though...
Vonda there's not a word of magic in it, and the...
Vonda technology is straight genetic engineering.
JaniceMars Interesting...I never thought of it as anything other than hard SF.
JaniceMars That is a Science Fiction piece that centers around a technology.
Vonda Me either. But then the same is true of Moon and Sun, the speculation being...
Vonda a bit of evolution (humans returning to the sea). But still people call it fantasy.
JaniceMars Cool.
JaniceMars Vonda... bioengineering is a favorite theme for you then?
Vonda The answer is yes -- I have a BS, and did graduate work in genetics, though I came to the conclusion that as a PhD candidate I made a very good science fiction writer.
Vonda It was fun to write. I never did so much research ...
Vonda for a book before. I chose Louis XIV's court kind of...
Vonda by serendipity, but the more I learned about it...
Vonda the more I realized I'd somehow picked exactly the ...
Vonda right place and time as the setting for that story. ....
Vonda But I knew nothing about the time and place when I started.
JaniceMars About how much time did you spend researching before sitting down to write the book?
Vonda I did this one a little differently than I usually do. ...
Vonda I was in a screen writing fellowship program at Amblin, ....
JaniceMars Cool...
Vonda in LA, and I wrote a screenplay of the story based ...
Vonda on a short story I'd written. ...
Vonda But with a screenplay, you can convince yourself...
Vonda that you don't need to know a whole lot about ....
Chenoa I am also a writer doing a series of novels, I never outline just jot down basic ideas and freely write. do you also write like this my ex co - author said it wasn't disciplined enough?
Vonda the time and place -- that's the set designer's job, or ...
Vonda the costume designer's job.
Vonda But when you get to writing a novel, you have to
Vonda do all that yourself -- a year's worth of research ...
Vonda and a week at Versailles.
Vonda Chenoa, I think you should write your books...
Vonda the way it works for you to write your books. ...
Vonda Whenever I hear anybody saying, "You HAVE to do it THIS WAY" ...
Chenoa * smiles so do I ..thanks
Vonda ("this way" always being "the way *I* do it), I ...
Vonda want to tell the person being told that to RUN AWAY!
Vonda Because trying to write a book the way somebody else does it is a really good way to screw yourself up.
Vonda So do it the way it works for you.
JaniceMars Excellent advice Vonda. When you say you researched for a year... in the Library? Online?
Vonda By the way, Hi to all who have just joined us.
SF_Explorer Hi
Vonda The Internet really didn't exist in its present form ...
Vonda in 1995 when I was doing most of the research, so,
Vonda yeah, it was mostly library work, plus a trip to France, and ...
Vonda some first readers (an historian and several members ...
Vonda of the Little People of America, for starters).
Vonda I was really grateful for the University of Washington library...
Vonda which had a set of the Journals of the Marquis de Dangeau, ...
Vonda published in 1868 in the original 17th century French. ...
Vonda The books were in the sub-basement (they had to ..
Vonda dig them out for me) and some of the pages ...
Vonda hadn't ever been cut, which means I was the ...
Vonda first person ever to read that copy. Also the ...
Vonda Seattle Public Library was wonderful about getting stuff...
Vonda for me.
JaniceMars Very cool...Vonda you mentioned... Little People of America...is that the group of people who are shorter in stature?
Gandalara Made it! Hi all!
Vonda Yes, exactly.
JaniceMars Ah...Vonda...one of your beading fans just popped in... Hi Gand.
Vonda Hi!
Vonda Cool.
Gandalara The Sea Monster !
JaniceMars Gand...we were just talking about the research Vonda did for The Moon and the Sun.
SF_Explorer I was just looking at the bead sea creatures, very cool!
Gandalara and just finished Starfarers last night )
Vonda Hope you enjoyed it.
JaniceMars Folks, if you have questions for Vonda, don't hesitate. Ask.
Gandalara Very much. I've had books 1,3 and 4 for a year. I couldn't start until I got _Transition_ )
Vonda Dive in, as it were.
JaniceMars LOL
* Tigger looks around
Vonda Yeah, they went in and out of print pretty fast, alas.
Gandalara OK, in the preword to Starfarers, you talk about Orycon being sorta responsible for the book getting written. A story behind it? )
Vonda Like a lot of books these days.
Vonda Yeah, I was on a panel called SF on TV ...
Vonda which is always REALLY BORING because...
Vonda everybody on it just wants to talk about bad sf and how bad it was. ...
Vonda So I made up a GOOD show and pretended ...
Vonda I had really seen it. It kind of snowballed from there.
Gandalara LOL!
Vonda Ryan Johnson (who does Dr Who pastiches and other ...
Vonda sf adventure videos up here in Seattle) did a ...
Vonda tv trailer for it. Was much fun.
Vonda There was a Starfarers fan club and t shirts and everything.
Gandalara Oooh, collectibles )
JaniceMars Vonda, I see that Transition is out of print. Since two of your books are on audio tape now, are you considering any other mediums to republish your work?
Vonda Considering electronic editions -- most of my ...
Vonda short fiction is up at Alexandria Digital Literature (alexlit.com).
Tigger i didnt realize that much like popularity in Seattle..I thought that Washington was like a really boring state where not much happens
Vonda And there are some regular publishing reprint ...
Vonda possibilities.
SF_Explorer How about print on demand books? It seems like this is a good idea to keep an author's backlist available...
Vonda Yeah, we like people to believe that about washington.
Gandalara Tigger - then why do a lot of Californians want to live there?
G
Gandalara Including me
JaniceMars You know, Vonda, since you have that "trailer" and the post- production items already... I should think that offering the books online would be the way to go.
Vonda I can't really reprint the trailer. It was a personal ...
Vonda type thing and we don't exactly have the right ...
Vonda to reprint the graphics. It was sort of like ...
Vonda doing a collage with published pictures -- nobody ...
Vonda would mind if you made the collage and gave ....
Gandalara Someone should have a panel on it at Westercon next July. Sort of a 'retrospective'. LOL
Tigger Gandalara- I live way up here in Washington State and kinda get sick of the rain sometimes but I guess you're right..Its a pretty place to be
Vonda it to a friend, but they would not like it if you ...
Vonda published copies and sold them.
JaniceMars Understood Vonda.
Gandalara jealous
Vonda Yeah, you're right about the on line. I just ...
Vonda haven't quite got around to it.
Vonda Tigger is right, it's pretty, but I wouldn't mind...
Vonda spending January and February in So Cal. That ...
Tigger yeah
Vonda was kind of the idea of the screen writing, but...
Vonda it hasn't quite worked out that way. Oh well.
Gandalara in California desert. Come visit! )
JaniceMars Vonda...you mentioned that you were in an AMBLIN screen writing workshop. That's affiliated with Spielberg?
Tigger i'm going to go to San Diego next October. I've never been to California before so it will be interesting
Vonda It was, it isn't anymore. I've kind of fallen out of
Vonda touch with the Chesterfield people so I don't ...
Vonda know what they're doing anymore. But it was quite ...
Vonda and interesting year.
Vonda There's an essay about it in the back of Moon & Sun.
Tigger well i got to go now
Tigger cya later peoples
Gandalara Came in late - but is Moon and Stars gonna be filmed?
Gandalara Later Tigger
Vonda Theoretically, but I'm just the novelist, so what do I know?
Gandalara Snarf )
JaniceMars Was it optioned before Henson's group was bought by Disney?
Vonda Henson's group was bought, but not by Disney. I forget...
Vonda who right off the top of my head. Anyway, the ...
Vonda option was about a year ago.
JaniceMars Re's Chenoa
Vonda I think they could make a really smart edgy baroque movie for grown- ups...
Vonda of the quality of Shakespeare in Love and Mrs. Brown, but whether...
Vonda they do or not isn't up to me, I'm afraid.
Gandalara Are you writing a novel now? What's it about? When will it be available? )
Vonda Gand, I'm writing the novel that would not end. It's another...
Vonda alternate history, set in a future in which ...
Vonda the Minoan civilization continued beyond 1500 BC.
Vonda Don't know when it will be done.
JaniceMars You were telling us about that the last time you were in chat with us. That's the one where you took notes and wrote a great deal on a PDA, or do I misremember.
Gandalara o/~ This is the novel that doesn't end o/~
JaniceMars Hi Teal!
Teal Hello..
Vonda I don't really write much on my Pilot, so I wonder if that was somebody else?
Vonda I do take notes on it, though, so maybe that was me.
Vonda Hi, Teal.
JaniceMars I'm fascinated and terrified by those things at the same time.
JaniceMars Cool. Would workshopping be the way to go if you wanted to learn to screen write?
Vonda Hi again, Chenoa.
Teal Hey Vonda.
Vonda I think the way to learn screen writing is to watch movies...
Vonda and to read the screenplays they're based on. ...
Vonda Many are in print, and there's a project to get...
Vonda legal copies of screenplays up on line for people...
Vonda to buy (the best place to find out about that...
Vonda would be in Fiona Avery's newsgroup at sff.net).
Vonda There's a particular format for screenplays that's ...
Vonda important to follow.
JaniceMars Steve Sawicki was out here last week, and he mentioned that it's hard for a lot of novelists to make the transition from "telling" to "showing." Was that ever a stumbling block for you?
Vonda (Forgive typos, please. Alien keyboard.)
Gandalara I remember you saying you don't like large cons - but will you be at Westercon next July since it's local for you? And if yes, will your beading be up for auction? ) (Planning budget)
Teal Likes the keyboards that are split into two sections...shuts up
Vonda You have to learn it -- you can't just do it without...
Vonda any learning. (A few folks can, but not many.) The reason ...
Vonda producers think novelists can't write screenplays is ...
Vonda that most novelists can't write screenplays.
Gandalara Sorry. Off topic. /
JaniceMars I beg to differ Gand. Vonda is our topic. You are on topic.
Vonda Hi Gand -- nothing is off topic.
Teal Mehs
Vonda Don't know about Westercon -- awfully big for my tastes. But...
Vonda if they have an auction I'll surely give them some creatures.
Teal Erm. I can say stuff that will be off topic. I won't though.
Gandalara cranks up budget
Vonda I guess the one at Orycon went for about a dollar ninety-eight, so you can ...
Vonda sometimes get a good deal.
JaniceMars I was going to say, you write in the short story length as well as the novel length.. are there any short pieces of yours currently available for us to read?
Vonda Most of my short fiction is available via Alexandria Digital Literature...
Vonda and my short story collection is available via my web page. Nice new hardback copies... perfect for Xmas presents. (We now return you to regular programming.)
Gandalara LOL
JaniceMars LOL
JaniceMars How about in pulp, anything coming out in the mags soon?
Vonda No, I actually haven't written a short story in a while. Mostly have been working on novels.
Gandalara Is there anything left to write in the Dreamsnake universe? Any niggles in the brain?
Vonda Haven't been inspired to write a sequel. The characters...
Vonda pretty much like where I left them at the end of the book. (I don't like to ....
Vonda tie up ALL the loose ends at the end of a novel, ...
Vonda because I like to leave the impression that the characters...
Vonda have more of their lives to live after the book ends.)
Gandalara If the characters don't talk to you, that means end of story )
Vonda Pretty much, yes.
JaniceMars Okay. Vonda, I notice from Amazon.com that you've done several Star Trek and ST novelizations. How is working on those different from working on your own original novels?
Vonda I have been getting some niggles about a sequel to Moon & Sun so you never know.
Vonda It's a different experience, but it's great fun to ...
Vonda play in someone else's universe, if it's a universe...
Vonda you enjoy. (I wouldn't recommend trying to write ...
Gandalara Will need Clarion West URL before end of chat )
Vonda a book in a universe that you don't enjoy; live is too short.)
Gandalara Hi Katie
Katie Hi.
Vonda Hi Katie. Gand. SFF Net hosts Clarion West, so if you go to www.sff.net you can find it. http://www.sff.net/clarionwest/
Vonda That should say "life's too short."
Vonda Sheesh!
Gandalara OK. )
JaniceMars Thanks Vonda.
Vonda My pleasure.
Gandalara How many ST and SW's have you done?
Vonda I wrote two original ST novels, three based on the movie scripts (STII, III, and IV) and one Star Wars novel.
Gandalara Whoa.
Gandalara Er, those are the odd numbered ST's. LOL
Gandalara Never mind. Can't count today )
Vonda I got to do the novel versions of the two best ones, I think ...
Vonda Wrath and Voyage Home. Wanna hear a funny story about the title of Wrath of Khan?
JaniceMars Yes please.
Vonda It was originally called Revenge of Khan. They asked...
Vonda me what I thought of the title. I said, "It's fine, as long ...
Vonda as George Lucas doesn't go after you with a really big stick." (The next ...
Vonda Star Wars movie was due and it was supposed to be called...
Vonda Revenge of the Jedi.) And they said, Oh no no we're good friends with George no problem. But...
Vonda about a week later they called and said Er Um we've decided to change ....
Vonda the name of the movie, hasn't anything to do with SW oh no no." ...
Gandalara snort
Vonda So I said they should call it Demon Warrior (I think -- has been a long time)...
Vonda and they changed the title to Wrath of Khan (I have ....
Vonda a copy of the book cover with the original title on it)...
Gandalara Demon Warrior doesn't sound Star Trekkish )
JaniceMars Cool.
Gandalara Hi Elo
Vonda and then the SW movie title got changed to Return of the Jedi (because Jedi don't go for revenge don't you see)...
Vonda and I just fell down laughing.
JaniceMars LOL
Vonda But you're right, Gand, about Demon Warrior.
Vonda Hi all.
JaniceMars Vonda... while you're beading and doing all that html for other authors and writing novels, are you also currently writing screenplays?
Elodee 'lo ^_^
Vonda (But it seemed like a good idea at the time.)
janjanjan hi
Gandalara Maybe if main character was , oh what's their name. Vulcan cousins ...
Vonda I wrote one set in Gasworks Park (a park in
Vonda Seattle) that's about a skeptic who meets a space alien but can't tell anybody about it. ...
Vonda But when I showed it to my mentor at Universal, he said, "No studio will make this because it would only cost $300,000 to make."
JaniceMars All the CGI?
JaniceMars Or too little money?
Gandalara Geez. Good reasoning.
Vonda Yeah, wasn't expensive enough.
JaniceMars LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
JaniceMars I hope you're inventing lots of cool special effects now to plug in.
Gandalara Insist on major star. Budget now 2,300,000 )
Elodee amazing... I never thought I'd hear that
JaniceMars LOL Gand.
Vonda To make it more expensive? I've thought of that. Or maybe get Alex Rodriguez to star in it since they'd have to pay him a quarter of a billion dollars.
Gandalara Or Jim Carrey - 20,300,000.
JaniceMars LOLOLOL.
Gandalara LOL Vonda
Vonda whoa, that was quick.
SF_Explorer lol
Gandalara Revolving door in here today )
JaniceMars Actually....I just went to yet another SF movie in which there was so little character development and plot that I left feeling like I'd just eaten Chinese.
Vonda They come in, go, "Eek! it's Vonda!" and flee.
Elodee ^_^
JaniceMars Vonda, is there any hope for SF movies you can sink your teeth into in the future?
Vonda That's no fun. I really disagree with the folks who think SF shouldn't have real characters.
Vonda There's always hope. If the movies catch up with the published stuff.
janjanjan Bak
Vonda And if they get over the idea that it's all visual stuff.
Vonda Hi again JJJ
Gandalara Seen any weird SUV's lately, Vonda? )
Vonda I told you about the stretch hummer didn't I?
JaniceMars Stretch hummer?
Gandalara I lurk on the NG's )
Vonda Yeah, it was UG-LY
Elodee Hummers... what a joke...
JaniceMars And try to get around a regular sized one on a regular sized city street.
Vonda Can't imagine why anybody would want to drive one of those things. Delusions of adequacy I guess.
JaniceMars Ah yes.
JaniceMars Perhaps they're taking the place of the "little sports car" for some folks.
Vonda Must be it.
Elodee That's scary for those of us who do have little sports cars...
SF_Explorer Or maybe like to run over little sports cars...
Vonda I drove a Camaro for years, so I understand the ...
Vonda pull of thelittle sports car.
SF_Explorer cool, what year was the camaro? I had a '69
Vonda Once got to drive a Jaguar at 105 mph, that was fun.
JaniceMars Vonda, you've mentioned before that you don't like "big" conventions. At which conventions *can* we meet you?
Gandalara Yeehaw!
Vonda It was '73. I had it for 20-plus years, then gave it to a car restorer.
Vonda I almost always go to Potlatch when it's in Seattle, sometimes...
Vonda when it's in Portland.
SF_Explorer cool, I know what you mean about those types of cars, they can be pretty special to own and drive
Vonda True about fast cars.
Gandalara And book signings. I have Superluminal signed because I bought it that way. but the others ... ?
Elodee more revolving doors...
Vonda I don't have any scheduled -- probably the easiest way is by mail. I have some free bookplates if you already have the book.
janjanjan Sorry...just resized chatscreen.
Vonda My browser was crashing when I first logged on -- sympathies!
JaniceMars Ah...so we could send you a SASE?
Vonda Janice, absolutely. Address is on home page.
Gandalara counting McIntyre books [g]
JaniceMars LOL
Elodee Haul out the big boxes boys
Elodee Vonda's gonna get some big packages
Vonda Cool. Fine with me.
JaniceMars BTW, folks, Vonda's home page is at http//www.sff.net/people/Vonda/
Gandalara But it's stil more fun to buy someone a drink and then ask for autograph )
JaniceMars True.
SF_Explorer Are autographed copies of The Moon and the Sun still available through your web site?
Vonda That's true. I kind of like those panels at...
Vonda conventions where the panel is larger than the ...
Vonda audience, so the panel has to take the audience out for a drink.
Gandalara )
JaniceMars You I don't think they had that problem at CHICON. Other way around as I recall.
Vonda SF_Ex -- yes, absolutely. ...
SF_Explorer thank you
SF_Explorer will be in touch soon )
Vonda Kewl.
JaniceMars Okay great... are other copies of your books available there as well?
Vonda Sure -- Superluminal, and Fireflood, and paperback copies of Dreamsnake; and I even actually have a few sets of the Starfarers series.
JaniceMars Wonderful!
Vonda And my first novel, The Exile Waiting.
SF_Explorer yep!
Elodee neato
Gandalara Fireflood? Uh oh .... I've missed one. What's it about??
Vonda That's my short story collection.
Elodee oooh... shortstories
Elodee *gets out her Christmas list*
JaniceMars Vonda, what was the reason you had Dream Snake made into an audio tape... did you approach them or the other way around?
Vonda Alexlit.com also has most of my short fiction.
Vonda Blackstone Audiobooks got in touch with my agent about them.
Vonda I like audiobooks, so I was glad to have them put it on tape. I don't ...
Vonda usually reread my own books, though.
Gandalara Did you read/tape it? Or who?
Vonda Oh, gosh, I can't remember her name. It wasn't me ...
Gandalara Ah
Vonda There are only a few writers who read their own books -- I think...
Vonda Le Guin has done some (she's a wonderful reader), and Philip Putnam (The Golden Compass -- they do that like a play with different actors, and he does the narration -- really nice work).
JaniceMars Gand, in answer to your previous question... Dreamsnake
JaniceMars by Vonda N. McIntyre, Anna Fields (Reader)
Vonda Thanks, Janice.
JaniceMars You're welcome. Cablemodems can come in handy.
Vonda I tried getting DSL but it made my computer sick so I had to give it back.
Elodee amen to that sister
Gandalara DSL will come to my neighborhood in 2025 )
JaniceMars Vonda.... have you set yourself any time limit on this next novel? A date when you're just going to finish it or set it aside?
Vonda No, life is too complicated at the moment to make rules like that. It'll get done when it gets done, I guess.
Gandalara Ah heck. I gotta go. Thanks for the chat!
JaniceMars Good answer. I don't think...
Vonda Nice to see you!
JaniceMars too many restrictions are good for muses.
JaniceMars Folks...we've kept Vonda chatting for over and hour now.
Vonda Depends on the writer, depends on the muse.
JaniceMars Are there any final questions for her before we let her get back to her writing?
Elodee Will you come back and see us again?
Vonda Sure, anytime.
Elodee )
JaniceMars Cybergods willing, the creek don't rise and I can talk her into it, you betcha.
Elodee wonderful )
Vonda Thanks, Janice. Have enjoyed the hour.
JaniceMars Folks, let's thank Vonda for taking time out to come visit with us!
* JaniceMars applauds
Elodee TY!
janjanjan Thank you!
SF_Explorer Thanks for sharing with us
Vonda My pleasure. Thanks for the invitation.
JaniceMars Vonda, look forward to talking to you again soon!
Vonda Thanks. I had better sign off now. Hope you all have a good day and a happy holiday season.
Elodee bye Vonda
JaniceMars And you too Vonda. Happy holidays.

The March 2000
Q&A



Cybling Hi Vonda, glad you could join us tonight!
Vonda McIntyre My pleasure.
jane tell us something about your recent work
Cybling I have one...Vonda...I missed part of the answer on the Minoan Project...what's the working title on that and when do you think it will be on the shelves?
Vonda McIntyre It's called The Curve of the World and I have absolutely no idea when the darn thing will be finished. I wish I did!
Cybling Thanks Vonda.
jane so, Minoan culture continues to the present?
Vonda McIntyre Since the divergence point happens so far in the past, it's hard to determine... exactly when the novel takes place. Not this far in their future, but somehwhat.
jane when do you expect to finish this one, and what's coming up after?
Vonda McIntyre No idea of the answer to either question.
jane that's ok
chexmix Vonda, what has your course of research for the present novel been like?
Vonda McIntyre I _had_ to go to Crete and Thera. Poor me!
Cybling LOL!
starlit Poor Baby
chexmix :-)
Vonda McIntyre The trip I went on included a week in Cyprus, which I never would have thought to go to on my own, but it was a terrific place and I'd go back in a minute. It was a little odd, once I got my mind wrapped back around the difference between Greek and Russian, to realize that the signs were first in Greek, _then_ in Russian, and then in English, French etc. Cyprus is a big tourist destination for Russians. One night we had dinner next to a group of travel agents from Volgograd. Those folks really knew how to party.
jane you didn't happen to take a side trip to Patmos?
Vonda McIntyre No, where's Patmos? I went to Knossos (of course), Phaistos, Guernia (I may have the spelling wrong on that one), Malia -- couple other places.
jane it's another of the tiny, insignificant isles....the author of Revelation is supposed to have been in exile there
Vonda McIntyre Didn't get there. Did see the birthplace of Athena.
Cybling So you did actual on site research...how long were you in the Mediterranean?
Vonda McIntyre Three weeks.
jane lol
Vonda McIntyre I saw the wine-dark sea. There really are places where it looks purple.
jane what's your preferred method of writing when on the road?
Vonda McIntyre I sometimes take a notebook but am switching over to a palmtop computer (then I don't have to transcribe my horrible handwriting). I have an older model Pilot.
Cybling Really...you find the text recognition program is fast enough?
Vonda McIntyre It's adequate. I never could get the Newton to recognize my handwriting (and the screen was unreadable except in one particular angle & light), but with the Pilot you train yourself to block-print and it works OK. Even if it gets some of the letters wrong you can usually figure out what you meant to say when you get it ported over to the desktop and run through the spell-checker. I haven't gone the whole way with wireless modems etc.
Cybling Have you always done your first drafts longhand?
Vonda McIntyre I do that less now that I used to, but I do find the process of writing the words on the paper to be useful. Since I can type faster than I can think, first drafts composed directly on the computer tend to be pretty sloppy, so they're more like 0th drafts than 1st drafts. I have to revise a lot of sentences that start out "there was..." -- mark of sloppy writing.
jane Vonda, think back to when you started out and had no publishing credits....what is your advice to new sf writers, especially women writers?
Vonda McIntyre Persistence. I used to think that the key was finishing a story. (A lot of folks get good ideas for stories and "will write them when I get time." If you're really going to be a writer you find the time.) Some folks who finish the stories never send them out. But the real key is sending them out again after they come back. I sent my first story out 27 times before someone accepted it. I don't think there's any difference in my advice to women or men writers when starting out. I wish I could say I thought the SF field were healthier, but there have been a lot of changes to it in the past decade or so and I have to admit I worry about it.
Cybling And you sent that story out to the big 5 first and worked your way down to the fanzines?
Vonda McIntyre I never actually sent it to a fanzine -- I wrote for CRY OF THE NAMELESS, a fanzine out of Seattle, but that was always essays rather than fiction. It's been 30 years so I don't remember all the places I sent it to -- Several of the big original anthologies still existed then: Orbit, for example. But, yeah, Analog and F&SF etc.
chexmix When you refer to the health of the field, what do you mean specifically? The quality of work in the last decade?
Vonda McIntyre I mean the changes in the publishing business itself, such as consolidation (both of publishers & distributors). It's not that much fun being a mid-list writer these days.
starlit was it ever?
Vonda McIntyre Starlit, yeah, it was pretty comfortable for a while.
starlit ah
Gandalara I have a question that has absolutely nothing to do with writing ...
Vonda McIntyre Fire away, G!
Gandalara Will "Green Legs" ever be put up for auction at a convention? I fell in love with it :)
Cybling
Green Legs?
Vonda McIntyre Green Legs is one of the...
Gandalara Her beading :)
Doranna monsters!
Vonda McIntyre Beaded Sea Creatures on my web page ("everybody needs a hobby") at http://www.sff.net/people/Vonda/
Gandalara It looks like a squid :) It's wonderful.
Cybling Ah yes...saw those.
Vonda McIntyre G, I don't know about Green Legs. Are you going to be at an auction anytime soon?
Gandalara Chicago World is the next
Vonda McIntyre I'd be willing to consider exchanging it for a donation to the Clarion West...
Gandalara Yes!!
Vonda McIntyre Scholarship auction. But I should tell you that the one I put up at Potlatch a couple weeks ago went for $160. (!)
Gandalara S'okay. It's for a good cause :)
jane I hate to bring this up, but did you ever consider that you might have more luck publishing under a male pen name, when you were starting out?
Vonda McIntyre Jane, when I first started out, I sent a few stories out as "V.N. McIntyre" -- this was in 1968, even before a remarkably unpleasant flame war in the SF field about whether there was "a place" for women in SF in which a number of people who should have known better announced that there was not (as readers, writers, or even characters). But I changed my mind and started sending them out under "Vonda N." (I use my middle initial because my mother is Vonda McIntyre) and then I went to the Clarion Writers Workshop in Clarion, Pennsylvania, and Joanna Russ happened to see one of my stories with the VN byline, and she said "Don't do it again," and she was right, and I didn't.
Doranna Sooooo sorry I missed that particular flamewar
chexmix aghh. I ::cringe:: for my gender!
Vonda McIntyre It was remarkably ugly. One BNP said, "You wouldn't want Hal Clement, for example, to shoehorn a woman character into one of his stories just so the hero would have somebody to go to bed with -- would you?" Thus totally missing just about every point there was to miss.
Doranna Ahhhhhhhhh!
Gandalara But hasn't it been satisfying to prove them wrong?
Cybling Yow!
jane so, how do we get past the gender prejudice in publishing in the sf mags?
Vonda McIntyre I didn't really have to -- it was folks like Le Guin and Wilhelm and Russ (and before them Bradley and Norton and Brackett and Moore) who broke down all the real closed doors.
jane I'll bet women writers represent less than 10 % in Asimov's and Analog, to name two
Vonda McIntyre I'd be surprised if that were true, to tell you the truth though it often seems as if that's the percentage in the book review columns. I really think you shouldn't worry about it -- just write the best story you can and send it out, and if it comes back, send it out again.
jane fantasy seems much better received from women authors but that is good advice...:) and I don't have much of a flair for fantasy
Vonda McIntyre Write the best story you can and don't worry about categorizing it. Just write it & send it out.
Doranna Ditto that.
Vonda McIntyre (In fact I think it's a mistake to think about a market for a story until you're finished writing it.) Listen to Doranna, too -- she's a more recent recruit to the field, so has a better finger on the pulse of the current markets.
Cybling Vonda, have there been any projects between The Moon And the Sun and this current "Minoan" project?
Vonda McIntyre I was Evans Chair Scholar at the Evergreen State College for Winter Quarter, and that took up most of my time for 3 months.
Gandalara What does an "Evans Chair Scholar" do?
Vonda McIntyre G, Evans Chair Scholar works with the first year students -- I was attached to the Exploration "Core" program (3-quarter team-teaching program for 1st year students) and also spoke to a lot of other classes & outside groups, like middle schools. Did a lot of web page stuff, actually. I was more of a resource, not really doing formal teaching. It was quite fun, but exhausting. Everybody works their butts off at Evergreen, despite its laid-back "hippie" rep.
jane do you live in Olympia, Vonda...I'm in Puyallup
Vonda McIntyre Jane, I lived in Olympia most of the time when I was at Evergreen, but I live in Seattle and am back there now.
Vonda McIntyre Puyallup is one of the place names we use in determining whether someone is a native Washingtonian or not, the others being Spokane and Sequim.
jane lol
Doranna I can see why
Vonda McIntyre Jane understands the joke!
Cybling Puyallup reminds me of Pitfall #6, McIntyre's Laws of Titles. Vonda, is the General Useful Information essay found online a condensation of a larger work?
Vonda McIntyre No, it's a condensation of what I tell people when I get asked to do a two-hour writing workshop. You actually can almost tell everything you know about writing in 2 hours. The trouble is, when I used to print it out and hand it out at workshops, then I felt like I should just shut up and let them read it!
Cybling LOL...thanks Vonda.
Gandalara And what is happening with the Henson people? Hollywood calls, and then puts everyone on hold ..
Cybling Yes...I'm curious about that as well.
Vonda McIntyre The movie is in production. The novelist doesn't have that much to do with the movie. (Not that it wouldn't be fun to be involved!) It's actually rattling along at a wild pace, by movieland standards. They only just optioned it last fall.
Cybling Pre-production or are they out shooting already?
chexmix Sorry, what film are we discussing? I'm out of it.
Doranna Can't wait to see that one!
Vonda McIntyre The Henson Company optioned Moon&Sun, and Michael London (producer) and Christopher Renshaw (director) and Laura Harrington (scriptwriter) are working on it. Apparently the London Creature Shop is drooling to get their hands on the Sea Woman.
Cybling LOLOL
Gandalara LOL
chexmix Great! Henson does wonderful work on "Farscape" for SCI FI
Vonda McIntyre Yeah, I only just started watching it and am really enjoying it. I've always thought that if somebody did an SF novel the way Masterpiece Theater does historical stuff, it would be terrific. I had some hopes for a while that might happen with Starfarers, but it hasn't so far.
Cybling Vonda, do you expect to be called in at any time on the scripting?
Vonda McIntyre Screenwriting -- I'd be glad to help if they needed me, but Laura Harrington is the hottest thing in Hollywood at the moment (I'm really glad I liked her so much when I met her, or I'd be horribly jealous of her!), and her interest is a main reason Henson was interested in the project as a whole. I'm really looking forward to reading her script. She has some terrific ideas about how to make it filmable for less than the GNP of a mid-size country, even if they film it at Versailles. (Which is a national monument, so you can't just say, OK, lose the 1,000,000 tourists for the week while we film in the Hall of Mirrors.)
Gandalara What else has she done? I'm not up on screenwriter names :)
Vonda McIntyre G, Laura is an actress -- you can look her up in the film database -- but when she hit the horrible ancient age of 25 she started not getting parts she wanted to play, so she started writing screenplays -- the one she did before Moon & Sun was for Scorcese but it isn't out yet and I'm not sure I'm supposed to tell what it's about. It sounded pretty intense, though! And her next project is for Spielberg.
jane Vonda, what is the hardest part of writing for you? and the easiest part....
Gandalara That was my next question, Jane :)
jane :)
Vonda McIntyre The first draft is the hard part, I think. A lot of writers say they have this great idea but they never can get it as good on paper as it was in their minds. I have the exact opposite experience -- I have this vague idea, but the process of writing it makes it real. Once the first draft is done there's something to work with, and I can think about polishing, etc. As for the easy part, gosh. It's kind of nice when the finished book arrives in the mail, especially if it's as pretty as Moon & Sun -- I bought Gary Halsey's wonderful cover picture.
Cybling 8^D
Doranna :)
jane sounds thrilling...books in the mail ! :)
Vonda McIntyre I think it was really dumb of Pocket Books to put the hardcover OP -- It's such a pretty book, how could they bear to? Was glad to get to snag some copies, though.
Doranna I'm =really= glad I have one.
TonyV Vonda: what plans do you have for e-publishing?
Vonda McIntyre Most of my short fiction is at Alexandria Digital Literature (http://www.alexlit.com/) which also has a way cool collaborative filter program for finding stories to read. (Not necessarily stories they have for sale.) I haven't done anything longer than a novella on line, but I think electronic publishing will probably replace mass market paperback publishing in the not too distant future.
Cybling I saw that site, and it's quite interesting...some stories selling for a few cents...some for a few dollars. May I ask what kind of cut the authors get?
Vonda McIntyre The royalty is about 30%, if I remember right.
jane I hope not.....I love the feel of a good paperback !
Gandalara wow
Vonda McIntyre (Which is about 3x the royalty rate of the average hardcover.) Jane, the thing is that publishing companies don't actually care if we like books. If they stop being profitable -- or "profitable enough," they'll stop being made. Publishers have a similar strategy -- there's not a heck of a lot of advertising for the average midlist book...
Doranna absolutely!
Vonda McIntyre so they tend to vanish. If you ask about market research or publicity, it's too expensive.
Doranna They often don't care about the book/author success, as long as they earn a basic profit.
Vonda McIntyre Hate to sound depressing to the new writers in the crowd here, but it is a little depressing to look at the market these days. SF has a fairly small, if loyal readership, and one has to wonder if we'll be profitable enough (as readers I mean) for the stuff we like to read to continue to be published.
TonyV Vonda : do you plan to do more work just for e-pub alone?
Vonda McIntyre Tony, I don't have any specific plans along that line, but I wouldn't turn it down if I thought it would work. I do think that hand-held readers need a significant improvement in screen quality before they'll really take off. I like to read my Pilot with the lights off and the back-light on, but it's pretty painful to read in daylight.
TonyV BTW Uncle Hugo's in Minneapolis tries to keep all SF books in print available, the pubs now are asking for returns in a much shorter time, i.e. 3 months for some books
Vonda McIntyre Tony, that's interesting -- I hadn't heard that! (about the 3 months.)
TonyV it's a great SF store, one I'm glad we have here
Vonda McIntyre I get their catalogue -- looks terrific.
Gandalara My standard chat question - will you be at ChiCon over Labor Day? So I can get Superluminal and Dreamsnake signed?
Vonda McIntyre G, I'm really not very fond of big conventions, I'm afraid. I'd be glad to sign your books by mail or send you bookplates (I know some collectors don't approve of bookplates, but I have some if you don't hate them).
Doranna They're really nice ones, too.
Cybling So, ChiCon is definitely out then?
Vonda McIntyre I'm afraid so -- My speed is conventions the size of Potlatch (200).
Doranna I'll be at ChiCon--will be sorry to miss you
Cybling Ah...too bad....was looking forward to meeting you.
Gandalara Darn. I was going to suggest LosCon, but that's about 1200 :)
Vonda McIntyre You never know -- I do occasionally turn up at LosCon, but that weekend is kind of a big deal here in Seattle, so mostly not.
TonyV so would Minicon here over Easter weekend (750-900) be to big?
Vonda McIntyre I'm just not doing a lot of travelling at the moment -- still trying to catch up from TESC!
Gandalara Sigh. Guess Vonda's not a con-lady ....
Vonda McIntyre Just an ol' party-pooper!
* TonyV weeps gently
Doranna LOL, Tony!
Gandalara :)
MrN better than being a con man
Vonda McIntyre I dunno, I think probably con men are more fun than party poopers.
Cybling let's give Vonda a round of applause!
chexmix Thanks Vonda! Thanks Mod(s)! This was fun.
jane thanx for all the good advice, Vonda
Vonda McIntyre thanks for attending!
chexmix yep! looking forward to it.
Gandalara ::::applauds madly::::
Doranna Yaaaayyyyyyy! [kermit waves]
* Cybling applauds Vonda and whistles
chexmix ::thunderous clapping::
TonyV good to talk to you Vonda, congrats for a nice chat :)
Vonda McIntyre Thanks much -- I enjoyed the chat. (Miss Piggy waves back)
* TonyV does VR cartwheels and backflips

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